From Data Analyst to Consciousness Coach: Career & Life Transformation, with Guest Dmitria Burby

September 15, 2022 / Mom &… Podcast Episode 88  / Guest: Dmitria Burby

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Show Summary:

Y’all. If you read the words Transformational Yoga and Consciousness Coach and were concerned Susanne might be a woo-woo party pooper, rest assured, Dmitria blends just the right amount of data and science with a dash of woo to help us bring more consciousness to things as big as career-pivots and as small as (or too large, as is often the case!) each breath we take.

This week we chatted with Dmitria Burby about her journey from the career – the one that looked enviable from the outside – to finding fulfillment in a completely different professional space. These days, Dmitria is helping clients heal and find their own fulfillment by retraining their minds and bodies.

More About Dmitria Burby:

Dmitria is a bestselling author, transformational yoga therapist, and consciousness coach who helps people reconnect with themselves. She sits at the intersection of the latest in neuroscience, biochemistry, and the ancient wisdom of Yoga. Leveraging the specific practices and knowledge to support peoples’ transformation from a life of effort to one of ease. She is passionate about people rediscovering the vibrancy of life that comes when you are able to feel whole and connected in your life.

Topics From This Episode

  • Western Yoga vs. Transformational Yoga
  • Mind-Body Shift
  • Career Pivots
  • Leaving a successful career
  • Learning to slow down
  • Exploring possibility
  • Breath work
  • How to take a proper breath

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[00:00:00] Missy: welcome to the mom and podcast. I’m Missy Stevens, mom and writer, foster child advocate. And this week booster club budgeter.

[00:00:35] Susanne: you really do do it all. Is that for the swimming too?

[00:00:38] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yes.

[00:00:38] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay. Okay. And I’m Suzanne Kerns, mom dot writer, LGBTQ and sex ed advocate. And today co-hosting an online 2 million Texans training. It’s from Texas blue action. And we’ll put a link in this show notes for future trainings. so yes, if you’re trying to turn Texas blue.

Look me up and this week we are so excited to be chatting with Demetria. BBE Demetria is a bestselling author, transformational yoga therapist, and consciousness coach that helps people reconnect with themselves. She sits at the intersection of the latest in neuroscience, biochemistry, and ancient wisdom of yoga.

There’s gonna be some brain stuff. Missy, are you

[00:01:23] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Oh, for sure. I’m excited.

[00:01:26] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: she leverages these specific practices and knowledge to support people’s transformation from a life of effort to one of ease. She is passionate about people rediscovering the vibrancy of life that comes when you are able to feel whole and connected in your life.

Demetria reconnects people to the joy, happiness, and ease of a well lived life. . Doesn’t

[00:01:47] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: mean, I love every bit of that.

[00:01:52] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: it almost just Combs you just reading it

like ha.

[00:01:56] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yes.

[00:01:56] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Well, welcome. We are so excited to have you here.

[00:02:00] Dmitria: Thank you. I’m so excited to be here. I am a longtime listener and now guessed joining you in this way.

[00:02:09] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, thank

[00:02:10] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Fantastic. I know Suzanne knows you. Do you wanna share how y’all know each other?

[00:02:15] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay. So, well, I know you through my husband cuz you worked together. God, was it over a decade ago?

[00:02:21] Dmitria: yes. Yes. We were like babies back then.

[00:02:26] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I, and we literally had babies together, like within a couple months of each other.

[00:02:31] Dmitria: Mm-hmm

[00:02:32] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: and then yes, and then we were just saying, we ran on a half marathon, like a few months after that, but when we did not train together, Dimitri lived in Portland and we lived in Seattle and so we kind of Vicari

[00:02:43] Dmitria: were like accountability buddies, maybe, you know, like. Making sure I showed up to the run really was Suzanne’s job

[00:02:51] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: That was the hardest part you got to Seattle, but yes, our husbands still get to hang out. I feel like on a monthly basis due to like work stuff and all kinds of things, but we have not seen each other in ages. So I’m extra thrilled to have this chance to reconnect and catch up.

[00:03:09] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah. And we talked a little bit about what you’re doing, the amazing things you’re doing, but we’d love to go back a bit to do some Demetri 1 0 1. If you could tell our listeners where your career started and how parenting in life has impacted the decisions you’ve made since.

[00:03:24] Dmitria: totally. Um, I laugh about it all the time, because when I think back, you know, to when Suzanne and her husband met me, I was like a totally different person as we all are. But, um, I kinda laugh about, about that person and, you know, like how little she knew, how little she really knew. Um, but I was really focused on my career.

I grew up, um, my mom’s an immigrant from Korea and our family was, lower middle class, I would say. we didn’t have a lot of money and. I was raised with, the ethos that you can, work hard and sort of make anything of yourself. And because we didn’t have a lot, from a very young age, my goal was to work hard to, you know, create a better life for myself and, whatever my children were in the future.

And I, sort of dove into that, a hundred percent from a really young age and excelled, right? Like I put my mind to it and I did it. And so the way that I built, my everyday life, my patterns, my habits was to just be like type a, workaholic, you know, super aggressive in wanting to climb the career ladder and be the best.

Everything that I could be good at. not necessarily because it was something that I loved to do or I was passionate about or was changing the world. But because I really was operating from this survival mechanism of, you know, wanting to ensure that I had enough money to put a roof over my head and to feed myself and my children and you know, all the things.

and so I, happened to end up in advertising. I know Suzanne can relate to the

[00:05:07] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Yes.

[00:05:08] Dmitria: Um, I got in really early in the data and analytics space and, really thrived. and I spent about 16 or 17 years doing digital advertising and really hit the, the sort of peak of my career there and realized I didn’t want that next job.

Um, right. Like Susan, you you’ve shared this story about like, you know, you don’t want the VP role. Um, and I realized I didn’t want that next role. That was there for me. It was outside of the current organization I was in, um, it just like I looked at and I was like, oh, that just sounds not, not for me. Um, and my current job wasn’t really conducive to the life that I wanted to lead at that point.

I had not young children, but they were, you know, still at home. Um, and I was traveling quite a bit. And so, sort of the universe collided and I ended up making a move over to Nike. and I thought, oh, this will be great. I won’t travel. It’s right here in Portland. it’s an amazing brand. It will be, a complimentary experience to the one that I’ve just had and really excelled that.

And I took that leap and, you know, it, wasn’t what I thought it would be. Um, I had had the freedom in my job to, make my own schedule. I mean, that schedule was like overworking constantly with zero boundaries, but

[00:06:36] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: they love when you make your own schedule when you make it longer than they would’ve.

[00:06:40] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.


[00:06:41] Dmitria: and, um, and I got there and, uh, the reality was I had to be sitting at my desk or on campus for, you know, 12 hours a day.

And so I just never saw my kids ever. And, I realized I was walking well running probably more likely from one meeting and one building to another meeting and another building. And I just like, it hit me like a ton of bricks and it. Oh, my God. I could put all my energy into this and I could be really successful here.

And, um, you know, sort of like have everything that I dreamed of as a little girl, but the cost of that, it was the first moment where the true cost of that, of chasing that part of the dream hit me. Um, and I was like, I don’t see my husband. I don’t see my children at all. And if I continue to do this, I’m gonna lose them.

it’s not sustainable. It wasn’t an environment that was going to allow me to have both. And, I, I sat with that for like a millisecond and I think I like literally stopped on the sidewalk in campus. And I was like, oh, that’s big. And then I just like took off running to my meeting cause I was late, you know, I was

[00:07:57] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: It’s big and I will think about it again later.

[00:08:00] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I’ll think

[00:08:00] Dmitria: Like maybe some other day I’ll think about this, but like I’m too busy, you know, to think about it and

[00:08:05] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Yes.

[00:08:07] Dmitria: of life.

I was deal with anything or think about anything and,

[00:08:12] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I think there’s so many people out there that can relate exactly to that. Like I’m too busy to think about what I should be doing with my life,

[00:08:21] Dmitria: yeah,

[00:08:22] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: is so that’s painful to think.

[00:08:24] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: it is.

[00:08:25] Dmitria: it is, it is. And. I mean, I’ve unpacked, I’ve unpacked the too busy a lot. Um, since then, maybe, maybe I’ve unpacked it too much, but, um, but yeah, it it’s like, okay. So I had this moment, where I had this just like really a lot of clarity and then I came back around to it cuz I was like, okay, I really do need to figure out what’s going on here.

Is there a path to balance for my particular situation here or, or not? and just the, situation for me at that moment was, I need to get out. And I told my husband, and you know, I hadn’t been super happy there and he knew that. And so he was like, you should just quit. And I looked at him like, no, you just don’t quit.

Like, that’s not how this works. You have to, you know, like that’s, that’s not how life is. And he was like, why not?

[00:09:17] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: is coming for it. Yeah.

[00:09:18] Dmitria: You know, like, like I love when, um, when men or, I mean, my husband does this all the time. It’s so simple. It’s just so simple. You just, just you’d make the decision and then you just do it.

And, um, another one,

[00:09:31] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: like that.

[00:09:31] Dmitria: right. Our brains are not like that. And I, I realize that, you know, now later that, I had this really strong internal belief that everything in life had to be hard, that you had to work hard, that anything that came easy was not gonna be good for you. You really had to like give a lot, if it was gonna be meaningful.

And so this idea of just like quitting my job was, you know, just out of left field, but

I did

[00:09:59] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: even just doing a job that feels natural to your talents and your skills and your desires like that has a flow to it. I think a lot of people do think, well, it’s not work. Cuz work is, yeah. Work is hard. Work

is effort. Mm-hmm

[00:10:13] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: a little bit miserable.

[00:10:15] Dmitria: yes.

[00:10:16] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: a lot.

[00:10:17] Dmitria: Right. Like there has to be the exchange. And so to get the money or the type of money that you wanna be making, I really have to be unhappy because being happy, why should they pay me for that?

[00:10:28] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Mm, mm-hmm

[00:10:29] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: oh

[00:10:29] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I used to actually say like, if it was fun, they wouldn’t pay us.

When I was at my corporate job and miserable, be like, they pay us to be here because it’s awful.

[00:10:39] Dmitria: yeah. Right.

[00:10:42] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I feel like the three of us came from the same PPOD, but

I mean, so it’s kind of interesting cuz your current, your current role, which, you know, talk about flow and fitting your desires and your skills is as a transformational yoga therapist and consciousness coach, which we’re gonna get into what all that means.

Because honestly, I don’t quite know. I need, I need definitions. I need explanations, but we’ve interviewed enough. You know, you came from this world of data analytics and it makes me think of a lot of the people that we’ve interviewed who’ve become coaches or, Therapist who have pivoted away from lawyers.

How many lawyers have we interviewed Misty? Like or more

lawyers? I


[00:11:24] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: once a week, I feel like we talked to a reformed lawyer.

[00:11:27] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: but I gotta feel like you went through that same probably the mental process that a lot of them have shared with us and maybe external feedback that you’ve gotten from other people’s, you know, with them, it’s like, oh, you spend all this time getting this law degree, or you spend all this time, or you’ve been doing this, you’ve been doing this for 15 years.

You’re so good at it. You know? Did you, did you get any pushback or was your own brain the only thing doing the pushback?

[00:11:51] Dmitria: well, I think the way I sold it to myself and probably to everybody else was that I was retiring. Right. So I was like, I’m done working. I put in the hard work and I’m just gonna be a stay at home wife. I’m gonna be the best mom. And I really believed that, right. Like I was like, I’m not pivoting to anything.

I’m just pivoting to like being a lady that lunches. I was so happy. I was so happy to live that life. I didn’t even know what that meant. It was like so foreign to me. Right. I was like, I’m gonna work out. I’m gonna like, make my kids lunch. I mean, like that idea of making my kids lunch blew my mind, to have the time, um, and to be home, right?

Like, like those just like really, idealized ways of being a mom were really appealing to me. And I was like, this is my opportunity. I, you know, had a lot of, self judgment around being. a bad mom or not a bad mom, but an, an absent mom, right? Like I spent so much of my time focused on my career and, getting ahead and traveling and the kids were with nannies or traded off between my husband and I, as we were like five minutes in the house between flights.

you know, so I just had a lot of, judgment and guilt about that. And I was like, now’s my opportunity. I’m gonna be the best mom ever. And, so I, I quit my job and, I quit in July. And so that fall, I was like, here’s my, here’s my chance. You know?

[00:13:15] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Back to school. I’m gonna

[00:13:16] Dmitria: back to school, I’m gonna be like, you know, all the things and, um,

Yeah. And I remember so vividly, it was our oldest 18th birthday, and his birthday’s in November. So you can kind of get a, a sense of the timeline. And I decided that morning I was gonna like, go get him a bunch of balloons. And I got him, you know, those big Mylar balloons say 18, huge, like so excited, get in, get school.

And I in and desk at the high school was like, what are you doing here? I was like, oh, I’m dropping balloons off for my son. It’s his 18th birthday. And she was like, you can’t be here. You know, like, just so cold. And like, I was like, why not? Can I leave the balloon? She’s like, balloons are not allowed. And I was like, oh, I’ll just like, put him on his car.

And she’s like, ma’am you can’t do that. And I was just like, totally depleted. So I’m texting my son, you know, I’m like, Hey, I brought you balloons. He’s like, please go home and just don’t come back. Like, you know, like it like all this. Um, idea of being a mom that I had like made up in my head. And then the reality was that my kids were like, seriously, he was a senior in high school.

Like, you know, he was like,

[00:14:31] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah. He’s a teenage boy going, please return to where you belong. Not where I belong.

[00:14:35] Dmitria: which is not at school with me at, at 18. And, you know, I just, it was another big moment for me of, oh, I traded the big title and, and like having that as my identity and way of, feeling, my own, sense of self to attaching it to my kids.

And I realized in that moment what I had done, that I really still didn’t know who I was. And that like identifying as just like the best mom in the world was actually covering something else that was missing. And that’s what. kind of threw me into the tailspin of like, oh my God, who am I, what am I gonna do with my life?

you know, and that was sort of the hardest moment was having to ask those questions.

[00:15:19] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: a lot of moms, it takes the full 18 years. It only took you those six months to to have that realization.

[00:15:25] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: You’re a

[00:15:25] Dmitria: was too busy. I was too busy, the rest of the 18 years. Right. Like I had not been willing to ask those questions cause I had filled my life with work.

[00:15:35] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh.

[00:15:36] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: And It sounds like in talking to you, this all came easily. Like I figured this out and then I figured this out, but in your book returned to the light within which Suzanne has behind her, um, you’ve been really open about having struggles with anxiety. So was that something that it was part of your life prior to making these decisions?

Did it really come to a head when you were trying to figure out who you were and realizing you didn’t know? How did that present itself?

[00:16:03] Dmitria: Yeah, I think, when I really look, I probably have had anxiety since I was a child. and just didn’t know what to call it. I didn’t know what it was. I, you know, it’s not like we were having those conversations in our house at home. Um, my parents were always working. Um, so, but throughout my career, I would, definitely feel anxiety.

And, for me, anxiety is like getting caught in overthinking overplanning, trying to, um, like perfect everything or control everything. So. I knew exactly how it would go or I could, accommodate any variable that would happen. Right. So like if somebody was coming, if we were having people over for dinner, I’d try and think of like every scenario of anything they might want to make their night enjoyable.

And then I would try and make sure I had all of that available to people. It’s so exhausting and it’s not possible.

like you can’t accommodate every single, whim or request in life and it’s also not expected. Right. And, and that’s what I didn’t understand. somewhere in my mind, I thought that if I could think of every scenario that I, could solve this, feeling that I had inside of me.

And, before I left, the digital advertising world, I had gotten to a point where. I would not leave the house. and I would just sit in my office and like spin. and it just was like overwhelming. And I just like was paralyzed. And I knew at that point that, it had gotten really bad, but I also, I had been through the path of, I was on antianxiety slash anti-depressants.

Right. Cause it’s a lot of times the same medication, um, for 10, 12 years. Um, and I was starting to wean myself off of it at that point because I was like, I’m taking medication and it’s actually getting worse. it’s not getting better, but it, I hadn’t realized that. and so yeah, it, it was sort of, this digging into who I am and what do I stand for and where does my self worth come from?

That shifted. All, all of the anxiety for me.

[00:18:20] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I’m so excited for you this path and where it’s brought you and what you’ve learned about, and now you are taking what you’ve learned and helping clients with is primarily one on one sessions, correct? Or do you do anything with groups?

[00:18:35] Dmitria: I do. Like sometimes I do workshops with groups. I teach at a local yoga studio here, but my primary, format is one to one. I just think, people feel really, able to be vulnerable and to share and work on your specific version of what anxiety, what trauma looks like for you and get into how we can work with.

The inner workings of the body, like your neuro pathways and your biochemistry and how we can work with how it presents for you specifically, because everybody, has their own unique sort of patterning, right? Like I shared mine is that I grew up in this, sort of interesting household that was not really wealthy.

We didn’t have a lot, I had this, sort of component of the American dream and being able to work yourself out of that poverty. And it programmed my brain and my nervous system to operate in a certain way. And I applied that the rest of my life. Right. And so knowing that, and then being able to shift that, that template, if you will, is what allowed me to get out of it.

[00:19:50] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: now I need to know about, because I, I enjoy, well, I need to know so many things but let’s start, let’s start 10 years ago. No. Um, okay. So transformational, yoga.

[00:20:02] Dmitria: Mm-hmm

[00:20:03] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Tell me I’m so interested about this. I’ve heard of like, there’s, I know of hot yoga and like HAA yoga and like there’s some different varieties.

So now what, uh, does the transformational part pull into all.

[00:20:16] Dmitria: Yeah. So transformational yoga therapy is basically taking the whole of what yoga is and applying it to specific needs or challenges that you have in your life. So it spans, from sort of mental health, which is where my focus is mental health, trauma, anxiety to, um, helping people with cancer, right?

Like the field is pretty broad, but the idea behind it and the way that it works is that we go in and help with a specific. ailment and help bring balance into the life. and another major component is that it’s paired with the medical side of it. So we’re looking at not just yoga, right?

Like, the ancient teachings and what they knew. But with current science, that’s backing up. Why doing this particular thing is helpful. And what is it actually changing in your nervous system? What is it changing in your blood chemistry? and what is it changing in like your endocrine system or your lymph system?

Right. Like how are we using release specific movement or breath work to affect those things? So it has a full layer of science underneath it, which, you know, for me and coming from data and I’m an engineer by education. just makes me so like I get giddy cuz I’m like, oh my gosh, there’s this thing that really works for me.

And there’s like real science since it’s fine. And that merging for me, like it just lights up both sides of my brain. So that’s, that’s what it is.

[00:21:56] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: What is the process timeline? Like, is this something that people start and they work on for years and years? Do you do it for 10 weeks over the internet? Like how does it, I want nuts and bolts. I’m

[00:22:07] Dmitria: you on nuts and

[00:22:08] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Yeah.

Oh, you’re my, Ooh,

I’m gonna do the brain stuff and you do the nuts

[00:22:10] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Y yeah, yeah,

[00:22:12] Dmitria: yeah,

so I do all of my work online, over zoom because we’re coming out of the pandemic and it makes it accessible for people. Um, other yoga therapists will do, you know, in person work that might come for me later. Um, we’ll see. and there are usually weekly sessions.

So you start out with, sort of a longer intake session. We talk about all, all the parts of your life. What’s what’s going on for you. And then we follow up weekly and, sometimes you move to every other week, as you are able to build some of these things into your life. And, it depends on the sort of situation and the person.

So six weeks is probably the minimum, time period, but then I have clients that I’ve worked with for, you know, a year. and it’s sort of just part of their, maintenance, right? Their mental health maintenance.

[00:23:04] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: So is that like six weeks they work with you and then they learn the core things that they continue to do in their day to day to day life. Okay.

[00:23:14] Dmitria: exactly.

Yeah. And

[00:23:16] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: really

[00:23:17] Dmitria: reality

[00:23:18] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: that brain part of it. Like the neural pathways, like it has to become part of you.

[00:23:23] Dmitria: Yeah. Yeah. And the reality is, is that as we’re working, you are changing. So what I would do with you week one is gonna be totally different than week six and very different than week 12 or week 50. Right. And so it, it kind of, I mean, it obviously depends on the client, what they’re interested in, but for me I’m constantly learning, right.

I’m always like, there’s always a level deeper to go. There’s always more to learn about myself. There’s always more aha moments. Um, you know, they happen for me almost weekly, which is surprising at this point, I’m like, oh, there’s more, you

[00:24:01] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I love that. I love it.

[00:24:03] Dmitria: Yeah.

[00:24:04] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: So now, if you were, watching one of these sessions, just to

the naked eye, does it look like yoga, or how is it different? Uh,

[00:24:12] Dmitria: Yeah. Um, in some ways, yes. In some ways, no. So, I would say it looks like almost a talk therapy session for part of it. So there’s a lot of dialogue. There’s a lot of understanding what’s going on. And then, half of it, or so depending on the session is going to be, traditional yoga, which may be what you know about yoga and it may be something different.

So, um, sort of westernized yoga is, is movement. Um, and so I think when people think of yoga, you think of, Western studio class, that’s what I thought of it. Right. You think of hot yoga, power yoga. but, yoga has a. A lot more to it. Right. Um, breathing is a really big part of it. So you know, breath work is so sort of popular right now.

Um, but it’s part of the yoga tradition and a lot of the breath work that’s being, taught actually comes from yoga. It’s just not in the Western world connected. Um, and so we’ll do breath work. We’ll do, sort of mindfulness. There’s, there’s a whole gamut of practices in yoga that we’ll tap into. So, there’s definitely movement cuz it’s so important.

And also, I like the movement because I think of it as the Trojan horse. because you can, you can Mo like we all know to exercise when we’re not feeling mentally well. but what we don’t know is all the ways that it’s changing our. Nervous system and biochemistry. And so even if you’re not like mentally able to get there, you usually can force yourself to do a couple of, poses and then we can reset the nervous system and then go from there.

So it’s this like beautiful Trojan horse to get in and change things without having to think about it so much.

[00:26:00] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh,

[00:26:01] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I mean,

[00:26:02] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I know.

[00:26:02] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I’m all in,

[00:26:03] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: why I’m like super, super excited about this right now is, My son was diagnosed with scoliosis, uh, a few weeks ago.

And so he’s going to be wearing. Full brace for like till high school, maybe till high school graduation. So, but part of also the work is gonna be doing thera therapy, which something that I had never heard of until a couple of weeks ago, but now we’re buying an entire like Swedish wooden bar set to put up in our, workout room for him to be able to do therapy.

And so much of it is just holding one position and then breathing into a particular section of your rib cage,

which, which Missy does this go against all of my wound? but I was like, Okay lady, you’re gonna have my son breathe into his like lower vertebrae, whatever. but I mean, just seeing the science of it and seeing the physicality of it and how everything kind of plays off each other and how it just impacts every part of your body.

I’m being much more sold on this. I’m being more open minded to things and, it’s yeah, it’s really interesting. Just the breathwork part of it and how it can impact so many different parts of your body. So, yeah, I just, I think it’s fascinating. The physicality and

[00:27:17] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I think it’s really lovely. Like, sorry. I just totally spoke over you. I’m just excited. I am sorry. I’m so sorry. But I love the undoing of that. Like you were saying that you’ve always been like, it has to hurt. It has to be hard. It has to be Demetrius said earlier that she thought life should be hard.

It doesn’t have to be, there’s really subtle things. And I. Culturally, maybe we’re starting to come around to this a little bit and maybe the pandemic had something to do with that when we all slowed down. Um, I don’t know, but it’s really beautiful to think that we can make change without hammering it into ourselves.

[00:27:57] Dmitria: Yeah. And I think what’s fascinating for me personally, in my journey is that when I make big progress is when I’m doing something that feels good for myself on, in my body, or it feels good to me. And that I’m like, oh, this is possible. Right? Like, I didn’t know this was possible. Now I know it’s possible and I can go explore this thing.

That actually feels really good. And then when you’re going and being curious and you’re exploring that thing, then, you know, new, new things open in your life that you didn’t know you were gonna get into.

[00:28:33] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: yeah,

[00:28:33] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: amazing.

We wanna.

[00:28:35] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: stuff. Missy brain

[00:28:36] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: It’s brain stuff. And it’s a perfect lead in to, we wanna talk about the consciousness coaching piece of it.

[00:28:43] Dmitria: Mm-hmm

[00:28:43] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: It I’m assuming they go together, but is it something you do separately or is it always go yoga consciousness? That’s two different things.

[00:28:52] Dmitria: Um, they’re both the same exact thing and two totally different things if that’s

[00:28:57] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: that answer. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:58] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Perfect.

[00:28:59] Dmitria: yeah. Perfect. So some people love to get into the work through yoga and, don’t necessarily want to talk about like, woo, woo stuff. Don’t want to, have those conversations.

Um, aren’t really prepared for it. So, yoga is a great option if you are, you know, like you actually just have a problem, like I’m dealing with anxiety and I want some help with that. Like yoga’s the way to go. Um, that yoga therapy’s gonna help you and get you to, a place of balance, the consciousness coaching, you know, maybe you’re.

I don’t wanna do yoga. I just wanna explore more about, myself and what else is out there beyond what I’m currently aware of. and so I have people that do just one or the other and oftentimes they just sort of like end up merging down the road. Um,

yeah, but the consciousness coaching is, really about exploring what’s possible for yourself.

Like what else is possible? I think so often we are set in like, this is reality. This is my truth. I know I was. and then you might hit a moment in life where you’re like, oh, wait, something that I was so sure is true, is not true. Like it might be fact to you and then you realize it’s. and what does that mean?

If, um, right. Like Suzanne, if you’re like, oh my gosh, actually, like this breathing thing does do something really important. And you had some really strong belief about it before. That might be like a moment for you where you’re like, wait, what else do I think is true? And, maybe there’s more to the story here.

And so that coaching is really, helping people explore that, like, what else is possible? What else could be true? where are the places of my life, where I’m. Holding on really strong to my beliefs rather than like holding them in our hands. Right. So if you’re on the audio only version of this, like holding on tight, your fists are like gripping to things, gripping to your beliefs.

And how do we just like open up our hands and hold our beliefs, but also allow for more, how do we like, see what’s around that belief? How do we explore what’s around that belief? and allow sort of new, different information to come in and assess what that, means for you?

[00:31:26] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.


[00:31:27] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: visual of it.

[00:31:28] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I do. Like, I actually felt my hands relax.

[00:31:32] Dmitria: Mm-hmm right. You’re like, oh

[00:31:34] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: we are like this a lot. I’m like this a lot,

[00:31:37] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I

know, well, especially even with the breathing, I didn’t realize like I was almost hyperventilating because I go to the breathwork classes and the physical therapy stuff that my son’s going through. And just as a mom, I have you ever noticed that, like how much you hold your breath?

Are you like, you’re doing the same movements as them, if you’re watching them on the court or if you’re watching them do something. And so I would do kind of the same things and it’s like, I don’t think my body’s ever had this much like pure oxygen in it and in one hour. And it’s so, I mean, there’s just that piece of it, but I’m yeah, it has got me thinking like, okay, if it can realign a spine, like what, what else can it do?


[00:32:15] Dmitria: yeah. Well, I love that you talk about hyperventilating because one of the moments I had, and I’ve talked about it in some other interviews, but. I used to run all over campus at Nike at some big campus. And you have your meetings just like literally everywhere. And, I wasn’t eating, I wasn’t like, you know, doing anything for myself like to function.

Um, but I would, I started doing this thing where, in between meetings I would run up and down the stairs, to get to different floors, not for fun.

And I,

[00:32:47] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I,

was about, and I was like,


[00:32:48] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: like more running

[00:32:49] Dmitria: um, more running. No, and I would, find myself in a stairwell with nobody else in it, and I would like hide almost. And I would like tuck myself in a corner and I would just take a deep breath and like, I would just spend a minute and take a deep breath.

And at the time I was just like, oh my God, my body just knew I needed like a minute. To pause and like literally do something for myself. And the only thing I could do for myself was take a breath, which is a sad, sad scene when I look back on it. But it was my reality. and now like having, been through so much training around this, when we take a deep breath and I’ll talk about like what a deep breath is, cuz it’s different than what most of us think it is.

we actually change the pH of our blood. So in that millisecond of taking a deep breath, you shift the pH of your blood. And when you do that, your blood realizes that it’s like your body realizes it’s safe. Your, your blood knows that it is at the right pH and it releases the oxygen it’s carrying from the blood into your cells.

So you you’re breathing. But your blood, when you’re hyperventilating or not breathing, your blood’s holding onto it because like, you know, when you’re starving, your body holds onto the fat,

right? We all know this as women. We all, we’ve all heard this. So your body holds onto the fat. So don’t starve yourself, right?

So that your body releases the fat. It’s the same with our blood and oxygen. When we’re not breathing properly, the blood holds onto the oxygen, cuz it doesn’t think it’s gonna get more. And it’s trying to dull it out to your cells in the way that it thinks is best. But when you’re breathing properly, it says like, okay.

And so you get this rush of oxygen, that’s actually feeding your cells and it changes. It will change how you feel completely in that second.

[00:34:41] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Um,

okay. I

[00:34:42] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: us through taking a deep breath,


[00:34:44] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: gonna say, I think we need to

[00:34:45] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: do it.

[00:34:46] Dmitria: Yeah.

So let’s talk about a deep breath so, um, for me, when I heard like take a deep breath, I heard, you know, like inhale, like take a deep breath, take a lot of oxygen in, but what you’re doing and it’s funny that you mentioned hyperventilating because like something like 60% of adult hyperventilate, just all the time.

Not, not like in a moment, we just are constantly hyperventilating. And I was like,

[00:35:10] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: can’t be okay for us.

[00:35:12] Dmitria: It’s not OK for us. Um, for a lot of reasons. But, um, but it’s interesting. I was like, no, no, no. When my professor was teaching us, I was like, no, no, no, I don’t hyperventilate. I don’t breathe. Like I hold my breath a lot.

And he said to me, oh no, when you’re holding your breath, it’s because you’ve been hyperventilating and you have so much extra oxygen. Your body is forcing you not to breathe because you’re over oxygenated.

Um, so like really blew my mind. Right. Because I was like, there’s no way hyperventilating. He was like, you’re like, number one sign.

If you catch yourself holding your breath, you’ve been hyperventilating

[00:35:48] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Cause

[00:35:49] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I.

[00:35:49] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: doing that, right?

[00:35:50] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I hold my breath a lot.

[00:35:52] Dmitria: mm-hmm .Yeah.

okay. So the, art of a deep breath, what you’ll do is you will, just first notice your breath, like, feel your breath come into your lungs. Right. We don’t normally think about this, but just taking one breath to inhale and exhale and just notice that,

[00:36:13] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay.

[00:36:14] Dmitria: and then the next one you’re gonna count. And so you’re gonna inhale. And count the number that it takes you and you’re gonna exhale. And you’re gonna really slow that very first part of the exhale. So right. When you change from inhaling to exhale, you’re gonna exhale, but it’s gonna be really, really like the slowest you can.

And then you do that. And then about like halfway through your breath, you just, you exhale the rest of it. So you’re not trying to like exhale until it’s uncomfortable. you are just trying to like, let your breath out slowly. Mm-hmm . And what we’re doing is we’re extending the exhale. So you want your exhale to be longer than your inhale and that causes your blood to have more carbon dioxide in it.

And when it has the additional carbon dioxide, that’s what changes that pH of your blood? Which signals the body to release the oxygen. It’s so counterintuitive. I don’t know why the science works like that. So don’t ask that,

[00:37:20] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay. I need, I need, we’re getting close to the end, but I just

need to ask this because this is, this is where I was starting to hyperventilate the other day, cuz she was trying to explain how to belly breathe. Like, and I’ve heard, I’ve heard this once before, too, that if like, if your ch too much chest breathing that your body almost thinks like, it’s like, like it’s almost like a startle

response and versus the re relaxing, like into your diaphragm, belly breathing.

And I gotta tell you, I mean, she tried all these tricks. She’s like put a stuffed animal on your chest and one in your tummy and you know, tried to breathe. So the one on your tummy goes higher and both of us are like, no, we’re a mess. So, so,

[00:37:57] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: we’re a little woozy.

[00:37:59] Dmitria: normal Suzanne, super normal. Like it will take us weeks when we’re talk. When we get into breath work and yoga therapy, it can take us weeks to get into diaphragmatic breathing because it is not something most of us do. And we haven’t built the muscles to support us doing it.

So it takes a lot of time, like it’s taken me probably six months to really be able to properly breathe.

[00:38:25] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Interesting. Ooh.

[00:38:25] Dmitria: So, like,

[00:38:27] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: you don’t mean like, like muscle memory, you mean like literally like my AB



[00:38:33] Dmitria: yeah, like your

[00:38:34] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: know how to move.

[00:38:35] Dmitria: yes. And the muscles surrounding it and supporting it, aren’t built up or used because

as a society, we aren’t taught that we don’t emphasize that there’s zero practice. Right. Like we aren’t taught how to do it. So unless you’re really thoughtfully breathing properly, and like build that into your muscle memory.

It’s really hard to, to like get yourself to breathe differently. So don’t, don’t feel bad.

[00:39:03] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh my gosh.

[00:39:05] Dmitria: Yeah.

[00:39:05] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah. Like I’m so energized to figure it out.

[00:39:10] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I know, I know. And it’s gonna be, it’s probably gonna be like me trying to figure out my, any gram type. I think it’s gonna take a few months. it’s gonna take little bits of aha moments for a while. And, and I, I am glad that I’m being forced to actually kind of do this with him in that.

I think it’s good for both of us,

but yeah,

I mean, breathing, it literally is the number one thing in life.

And I think a lot of us are doing it wrong,

[00:39:36] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: right.

[00:39:38] Dmitria: Well, back to the consciousness coaching, right? Like when I think about, you know, when I, when I first introduce it, people are like, oh, it’s really woo, woo. And out there. And I’m like, yes and no, because we’re unconsciously breathing. But you can move that into conscious breathing and completely shift so much in your life.

Right. So it’s not necessarily, I mean, we do, I do get into like pretty out there things with people. Like, yeah. I, I, I definitely am like on that end of the spectrum of Lou, but , but there is so much like right here in our bodies and in our, our lives that we interact with every day that we just are on autopilot for.

And if you can just become more conscious of it, the way that it will shift your life is, is really incredible.

[00:40:29] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Yeah.


what was my word for the year? Missy? Intentional. I mean, intentional equals consciousness

[00:40:36] Dmitria: Mm-hmm yeah,

[00:40:37] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: think of anything more grounding, like forget the Woohoo, like knowing your body and taking care of it and being aware of it is very grounding. And we’re just, we aren’t taught that at

[00:40:51] Dmitria: no.

[00:40:51] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: yeah.

[00:40:51] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: No.

[00:40:52] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, my gosh. Okay. We should have started with that. Cuz now we need a part two. That’s all of the like actually how to like, but

no, actually,

[00:41:00] Dmitria: come, back

[00:41:00] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: well, we’ll just have to do it again.

[00:41:02] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: well, you know what, and y’all who want to know more about how to do it? How do people reach out to you to find out how to, book a session with you or book six sessions with

[00:41:12] Dmitria: yeah.

[00:41:13] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: learn how to do

[00:41:13] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Or a year’s worth. How about 52?

[00:41:16] Dmitria: yeah. Um, you can find me at my website. It’s finding and also I’ll send you guys a link. I have a free workshop on, yoga for anxiety that just it’s like an hour. It talks about the nervous system and how we interact with it. It’s totally free. And, um, we’ll give you a good basis for like what’s actually going on in your body.

So if that resonates with anybody, um, definitely login and check out that content.

[00:41:45] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah. We’ll put that in our group and I’m going to do it

[00:41:48] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Where’s the best people. Where’s the best people. Where’s the best

[00:41:51] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: right here.

[00:41:52] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: find your book return the light within.

[00:41:55] Dmitria: Uh, you can find out on Amazon. It’s probably the easiest place.

[00:41:58] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay. We’ll put links to that in the show notes. Do you have another book in the works that I wanna spend some more time talking about the book, but we’ll have to save that for part two

[00:42:07] Dmitria: yeah. Um, I don’t have, I have a second book out, which is more of a workbook on self discovery. Um, and, I know there’s but you know,

[00:42:20] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.

[00:42:21] Dmitria: it, when actually comes through.

[00:42:23] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: yes. Oh yeah. Missy. And I say that a lot.

[00:42:26] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Uhhuh

[00:42:27] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: famili. We’re familiar with that.

[00:42:30] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.

[00:42:31] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: right. Terrific. Well, that’s I, is it

[00:42:33] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I guess it’s time, huh? Yeah, I think it’s time. And uh, if anyone’s here for the first time, we’re really glad you’re here. And at the end of every, episode we do a look, listen and learn, and it is just something we might be reading, listening to learning about ourselves classes.

We’re taking whatever it is. Sometimes it’s silly and sometimes it’s amazing and life changing. And we do not like to put our guest in the hot seat. So Suzanne, tell us what your look, listening, learning.

[00:42:58] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: All right. Well, mine is not life changing. At least not my look. Um, we’ve been watching what we do in the shadows.

[00:43:05] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I love it.

[00:43:06] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, have you watched it?

[00:43:07] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Mm-hmm

[00:43:08] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Okay. So I feel like it’s one of those shows that I discovered, but it’s like in season four

so I

[00:43:15] Dmitria: story of my life.

[00:43:16] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I know I’m like, oh, I’m so like on top of it, I’m at the cutting edge of, you know,

so yeah.

Oh my God. So for anybody who has not watched it, it is basically, it’s kind of like the office, but with vampires

and. Oh, my gosh. And I had to like look up a quote to sum it up online. So the quote I found, so look into the daily or rather nightly lives of four vampires who have lived together for over a hundred years on Stanton island.


[00:43:46] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: all places on Staten

island. I think

[00:43:48] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: it’s so funny,

but my favorite one, one of them is an energy vampire, which is basically like, he’s just the most boring dude. Like he doesn’t suck your blood. He just sucks your energy by being so boring. Um, and then one

of the. Oh, my God it’s so I know it’s probably the most relatable and one of the guys is kind of this vampire intern.

That’s trying so hard to like, be accepted by the vampires

and for,

[00:44:17] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: to

be a vampire so badly.

[00:44:19] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: bad, but he basically just does the, you know, schleps around and does their dirty work and stuff. Oh my God. It is so funny, especially cuz we’re just coming off of a better call, saw, you know, marathon. And so after that it’s just so light and silly and just funny, just funny,



[00:44:37] Dmitria: do you find it? what,

what what streaming

[00:44:40] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I don’t know.

Oh my, Oh shoot. You know what? Cause we have apple TV and just, everything’s just like

[00:44:47] Dmitria: Oh, okay. Yeah.

[00:44:49] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Which is kind of

creepy. It’s like you’ve been watching this on a, you know, on this platform and you watch this on that platform.

[00:44:55] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I wanna say Hulu, and if it’s not Hulu, I’ll edit that part out.

[00:45:00] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: mm-hmm

[00:45:02] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: we’ll have in the show notes, we’ll have a link to it. The show

notes. Um, let’s see here. And I’m listening to sea of tranquility by Emily St. John Mandel

who wrote station 11.

[00:45:13] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: mm-hmm

[00:45:14] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: and I, I don’t usually read too much about the books before I read them, cuz I wanna be kinda surprised and delighted along the way, but I think I’m so confused.

I’m gonna have to listen to it again. So I’m gonna do y’all a favor and just let you know, it is a novel of art time, love and a plague. That takes the reader from Vancouver island in 1912 to a dark colony of the moon 300 years later. It was that moon part that kind of confused me. So, so I think audio books, again, I probably shouldn’t do them when I’m driving and stuff.

I think I miss some nuances along the way, so maybe


everybody well, and then I listen to it when I’m going to bed. And sometimes I think I black out, I don’t know, but anyway, yeah. So there’s a moon involved and colonies on the moon. So if y’all are like, wait how’d they get from Vancouver island to the moon.

It’s apparently cuz it’s takes place for hundred years later. So there’s that, but it’s very good and good enough that I’m gonna, I really wanna get it and I’m gonna listen to it again. Maybe in two times speed this time. And I am learning about my Swedish wall Barss, which are shipping today. So if anybody does not know what those are, they are.

Imagine like a really wide ladder that goes up to your ceiling basically. And then at the very top, there’s like a hanging bar and you can do all kinds of stuff with putting what are those bands, bands and stuff around it for resistance. Um, but primarily it’s going to be used for hanging and stretching spines around here and helping some back problems.

So, um, uh, I have found some videos where people do, they use them almost like stripper poles. Like you can do some really

like exotic things and you can do what are the, that they called silks or whatever, cuz

[00:47:00] Dmitria: oh yeah.

[00:47:00] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: a hanging bar that you can attach from it and you can do all kinds of silks and these gorgeous things.

And I’ve been struggling with vertigo for the past two weeks. I’m like just watching the videos. I was like, Nope, Nope, Nope. I’m just gonna be upright.

[00:47:13] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Just makes you dizzy to think about it.

[00:47:15] Dmitria: yeah.

[00:47:15] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Maybe I’ll work my way up to doing something upside down and sexy on it. We’ll see.

[00:47:20] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah. Then we’re gonna need to post some

[00:47:22] Dmitria: let us know.


You let us know about that.

[00:47:24] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I will. Or maybe I won’t. What about you? What about you Demetri?

[00:47:30] Dmitria: um, I have been watching, like somehow I got on a kick of, um, documentary type stuff on Netflix. So we watched, the story of, uh, I don’t even know, man, Mantia Teo. Um, so he’s a football player, a college football player at Notre Dame and gets, he’s kind of like the first big cat fishing story and it is wild.

It’s like, so wild. Um, what is going on? And then. we watched the Woodstock documentary, over the last couple of days. And that too is kind of wild, but they both take place in like, well, Woodstock was in 99, it was Woodstock 99. And, um, the, the football thing happened after that, but not a lot a long time after, but it’s this really interesting snapshot into our culture society, where we were at at that moment.

And, um, and it was sort of shocking cuz like I was alive then. Right. Like sometimes you’re watching documentaries. You’re like, I don’t know what that was like, I wasn’t alive then whatever. Um, it’s interesting. But I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Like this is the way that we were behaving. This was our attitude towards women then.

And like I felt that. Oh, it’s actually changed so much. So these two documentaries just give such a great snapshot into where we were. And I think for me, gave me a lot of insight into how far we’ve come, um, across a lot of social, aspects of, um, our existence. Um, and how, you know, like still there’s this stuff that, that is pervasive, but, definitely not, not to the degree, it was, you know, 20 years ago, which, um, we don’t often stop to think about.

So those were, those were two really interesting, sort of moments,

[00:49:19] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: oh, I, I

[00:49:21] Dmitria: I’m

[00:49:21] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: use a, I could use a little of that living here in Texas.

[00:49:25] Dmitria: Yeah.

[00:49:25] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I need to know we’re making progress.

[00:49:28] Dmitria: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we’re definitely sliding in some areas clearly, but, um, but you know, like the sort of. So what stuck 99 document really highlights bro culture and, and like the sexual assaults that happened there and why they were happening and how the women were treated. And it’s just super interesting because it it’s like, that was a moment.

It was a three day weekend, but, um, but it was really just how women were treated in general then. Um, and I mean, I, I hope that we’re not still in that place. Doesn’t feel like it to me.

[00:50:01] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: yeah.

[00:50:02] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.

I hope we’re raising our boys better.

[00:50:05] Dmitria: yeah, exactly.

[00:50:07] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.

[00:50:08] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh my gosh. And well, you’re probably learning stuff all the time.

[00:50:11] Dmitria: oh yeah. Yeah. I’m like, uh, you know, I, on the Enneagram side of things, I, definitely have the investigator is like one of my primary things.



I think it’s five, maybe I’m a five one. And like six or something. Like I have multiple that, that are right up there and then like, everything else is pretty low

Um, but yeah, I’m the investigator. And so for me, I like get on a topic and I’m just like diving deep. So I’m constantly looking at what the latest research is around yoga and like literally anything like, like what, what did they learn out of that study? You know? And they’re all, um, like NIH sponsored, studies, which I think is really interesting that the government is investing in studying yoga.

Um, so yeah, I’m constantly digging through like science, which

is sadly really exciting for me.

[00:51:07] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: That’s not sad. I

[00:51:08] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: no, I mean that, you’re just think of all the people that you’re helping, because you’re, you’re distilling that down to what they need to know

and, and impacting their lives.

[00:51:19] Dmitria: I’m trying to distill it.


in all of the science.

[00:51:25] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, my gosh. Okay. You look, I cannot talk today. Missy. Too much.

[00:51:30] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I’ve had a hard time today too. I don’t know what it means.

[00:51:32] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, are you look, listen and learning anything else?

[00:51:35] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Is it my turn?

[00:51:36] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, I don’t. I was

asking Dimitri of it.

[00:51:38] Dmitria: oh,

[00:51:39] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: gonna have to do some serious editing.

[00:51:42] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: that’s

[00:51:43] Dmitria: not, these are my favorite parts of the podcast when you like, don’t edit this stuff out. So, you know, I, I say leave it in if I have a vote. Um,

but I mean, listening, I, you know, I have been obsessed with Dupa,

um, for a while, and she doesn’t have any, I don’t think she has a new album out or anything, but I, um, I love her, music.

It feels very, um, to me, she represents this, um, powerful woman that is not like overbearing and she wears very little clothing and does it in a way that feels. Like, she feels good about it. Not that like the industry has made her or like society is, you know, putting her into some box and, um, and so it feels really like grounded power, um, feminine power.

And so I just love that and I feel like it comes through her music. So, um, anytime I’m like driving in the car, I always have like a little do a on

[00:52:39] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: now I’m in the mood


[00:52:40] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: know. I’m

[00:52:41] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: oh, that might be what I Uhhuh.

Uhhuh. That might be what I listen to while I get my stuff done this afternoon.

[00:52:47] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: I know.

[00:52:48] Dmitria: try it. It will feel good.

[00:52:50] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Oh, okay. Oh, shoot. Okay. Are, do you have a few more minutes for Missy’s look, listen, and

learn or we can let we can let you go

[00:52:57] Dmitria: I wanna hear about

[00:52:59] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: All right,

[00:53:00] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: try to talk faster than I normally do.

[00:53:02] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: and

[00:53:03] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Uh, so I just listened to flying solo by Linda Holmes and I think I’m pretty sure that my, one of my look lists and learns a long time ago was EV Drake starts over or Evie Drake starts over, um, was her first book and loved it still in the same setting. It set in Maine, which is one of my favorite places on the planet.

And, um, it’s great. It was, it’s a great book for in between when I do my creepy twisty

[00:53:30] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Now are you like

[00:53:31] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: it. Loved.

[00:53:32] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: And Maine’s your favorite place on the planet and you haven’t actually been there or have you been there?

[00:53:36] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I’ve been there.

[00:53:37] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: OK. it’s one of


[00:53:39] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: I’ve been


[00:53:40] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: been there.

I’m assuming.

[00:53:42] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: yeah, I almost did not come home with my family.

Um, like, this is where I’m meant to be now. I haven’t ever been through a main winter, so probably gonna have to reserve deciding if it’s truly my favorite place.

Um, but I think I’m so hot all the time. It sounds great to me, like just surround me with snow.

Sounds fantastic.

[00:54:04] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: but they’re okay. You said these are kind of creepy.

[00:54:07] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: No, they’re not. It’s a good break

from my creepy. So like every, like say listen to a thriller and then I try to listen to something lighter and do the same with my books. Try to read something where I learn something and then read something a little lighter. Um, so this is a great, easy listen. So. I love the narrator.

I will look up the who had narrated it, put in the show notes because I really love her voice. Um, so that is what I just listened to. And then I just started reading book ends by

Zibi Owens. Um, so she was a guest

a while back. I can’t remember when that was. We’ll put the episode, the show notes, but, I just started it.

I haven’t gotten very far, but I love what I’ve read so far. So I recommend that. And, um, I’m not really learning anything this week, but something did happen to me that I’m like, I need to lock that down and remember, so when I get kind of in the weeds and I’m stressed and I’m busy, and I think my hormones have been a complete disaster, um, ever since having surgery in may, like I’ve just been outta whack, not quite myself.

And when I get like that, I forget to check in with my. And I just, I don’t even, I don’t even think about it. The idea of making a phone call is sometimes just too much. Um, and so I had a, my brother actually reached out this week and called me, which is weird. So at first I was like, who’s dead.

Um, we text a lot, but not phone call a lot.

So when it was, I was like, uh, hello. But he was just calling to check in. And afterwards I, I thanked him and I told him like, I didn’t know I needed that, but I’ve been in this phase of just not reaching out to my people. And I realized how long I’ve gone between conversations with some people that I talk to on a more regular basis.

So have to remember that even when we don’t feel like it, that’s probably the most important time to do a check in and it doesn’t have to be anything serious, but just talking to the people in your life who know you best is good for you. I

[00:56:01] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: That’s a

really, really good one.


[00:56:05] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: that’s it. That’s what I

[00:56:06] Dmitria: When I come back, I’ll tell you why that’s good for your brain.

[00:56:09] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: oh

oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah, we’re gonna

[00:56:13] Dmitria: Or I can tell you right now. I can tell you later

[00:56:16] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Well, you definitely have to come back. We need a part two, cuz I feel like we only did the very surface of what it is that you do.

[00:56:22] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: We’ll have you back when we think we’re breathing, right. And you can tell us

[00:56:28] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: We’ll just do a whole episode of us breathing. People will love that.

[00:56:33] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: we did do that workout episode. We did a Facebook live episode of us working out in our closets. I still do the pushups against my wall.

I love him. Mm-hmm

[00:56:43] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah.

Yeah. It’s the only way I can

do a

[00:56:45] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: It’s dangerous. Cuz the door slides uh, but now I won’t need the wall cause I’m gonna have my Swedish wall bars. You

[00:56:53] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: yeah.

[00:56:54] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: you’re

[00:56:55] Dmitria: you’ll love them.

[00:56:55] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: pictures of those.

Oh, do you have some,

[00:56:58] Dmitria: No, they used to be at the, um, I mean, I used to go to bar, um, and we had there and yeah, you can just, when you’re hanging, I mean, you’ve experienced it, but you just feel your spine, like just there’s so much space created. It’s so good.

[00:57:14] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: Yeah, it just stretches everything. And

then there’s other things where you lean be. Oh, Ooh,

[00:57:20] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Mm-hmm

[00:57:20] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: felt good. Just doing it. My chair

[00:57:22] Dmitria: Yeah.

[00:57:23] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: do a chair workout episode.


[00:57:26] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: fit while you

[00:57:26] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: yes. Oh my gosh. Anyway, we have kept you past your time. Thank you so much for being with us today. So excited for the next time we have you on

[00:57:38] audioMissyStevens(she11955266866: Yeah,

[00:57:39] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: up with all the

other exciting things.

[00:57:40] Dmitria: Well, thank you for having me so fun as always chatting with you.

[00:57:44] audioSusanneKernsshe_31955266866: You too. All right. Well,

I’m so excited to do some of these look, listen and learns and yeah, we’ll talk to y’all next week.